Entering and winning new markets is crucial for startups, but can also go horribly wrong. Given the relevance of this topic, investiere’s portfolio success team recently organized a webinar with Gernot Schwendtner, an internationalization expert. This interview summarizes the most important points.
Co-founder of weGrow International
Gernot Schwendtner is co-founder of weGrow International, an Amsterdam-based company with satellites in Berlin and Paris, that helps startups grow internationally. He’s also coaching startups for Plug & Play Tech Center in Vienna, was expanding to new markets for a travel scaleup and previously has built up a successful venture-builder for a media company.
When does international expansion become a topic for startups?
Usually, this topic becomes relevant as soon as a startup has achieved product-market fit and gained some traction in its home country. Before this, expansion doesn’t make sense unless there is an inherent necessity to be close to an important client. The timing also depends on which country in Europe you start in. But many startups think about internationalization too late, and only 0.4% of startups scale internationally. For investors, international growth is a deciding factor right from the start, as they want to back companies with European or even global potential.
How do startups go about expanding to a new country?
They often think about it in sequential order. They decide to go to Germany or France, for example. Then they hire a person to drive the expansion project. After a certain time, they think about the next country to go to.
Is there anything wrong with this approach?
First, there should be an in-depth analysis of different markets which takes many different factors into account, not just market size. We suggest to minimize expansion risks by testing several foreign markets at once in order to quickly validate the potential of these markets. For this, we developed our framework of so-called ‘minimum viable markets’. The mindset should be to give, say, 3 different markets a first try, and if 1 or 2 survive that’s fine. It is a costly mistake to build up an organization in a country just to realize that you can’t win against the local competitor there.
“We suggest to minimize expansion risks by testing several foreign markets at once.”
In a situation like this, should the company give up on this market, which is probably a difficult decision or invest even more to crack it?
This is a classic sunk cost fallacy when you continue to invest resources just because you have already invested a lot of money before. In the worst case scenario, you go on and on and eventually, burn out because you lose focus on the markets that are actually important for you. I’ve seen this in my own experience when at one point, we expanded to 12 new markets simultaneously and eventually had to close 6 of them because we didn’t do our homework. The lesson was this: Giving up earlier means avoiding the loss of a lot of money in competitive markets. The way to go about this problem is to define a stop-loss strategy before expanding. If your goal is to acquire 3 new clients in the first six months, you should also write down what you’ll do if you get only 2 or 0.
Zoom calls have replaced handshakes. How much does it still matter to actually have people on the ground versus trying to access a market remotely from your home country?
I think it is still very relevant to have people, local people that know a market and its customs and who have a local network. This informational headstart speeds up the process enormously. I was a country manager for Austria for a Dutch company and could bring people into the organization that I knew and trusted, and I’m sure that this way we could move a lot faster. One SaaS startup we advised recently is based in Utrecht and hired people from Paris and Berlin, but the results were not yet satisfying. The problem was that these hires were quite junior people who naturally don’t have a big network. So we helped them with connections from our own network. Especially in Paris, business is very much built on relationships and the right local expert on the ground does wonders.
The founder of a French startup told us that he hired very internationally from the start in order to facilitate internationalization. He said that if he had built a purely french startup, the expansion would have been much more difficult. What do you make of this point?
I agree 100%. This is true for other countries as well, of course, but French startups are often very focused on the French market which makes it more difficult to expand. I’ve experienced it firsthand with contacts who were just not used to working using English as their work language, and as a result, were very timid and reserved. There needs to be a cultural shift in an organization as it goes abroad, and this needs to be pushed by the CEO or founders. Apart from that, it is also much more fun to work in an international working environment.
It seems to be obvious to expand in countries that are geographically close to one’s home market. What about markets that are farther away?
It is a possibility that can make sense in certain cases. I know of a babysitting platform based in The Netherlands, Amsterdam, that consciously decided against the usual suspects and managed to grow its business in Colombia, Mexico, Peru and Canada with strong local partners because there wasn’t much competition there. However, there is a reason why many startups want to go to the big three European markets: France, Germany and the UK. If you make it there, it is an important signal for investors and customers in other countries as well.
What about taking over smaller competitors in other countries as a way to expand?
It is an option, but the post-merger integration takes time and is tricky for fast-growing startups. I wouldn’t recommend it as the main way to think about expansion but there are some cases where it’s a valid approach.
When thinking about entering a foreign market, there are many hard facts to consider, for example, labor laws and other regulations. How important are soft factors such as intercultural competence?
For me, intercultural competence is one of the most important skills in the 21st century, as important as speaking English. It is fascinating how many misunderstandings there are because of cultural differences, and how they translate into lower conversion rates and sales, for instance, because your marketing isn’t set up in the right way for a specific country.
How does one learn that skill?
For the younger generation that grew up with Erasmus programs, did semesters and internships in foreign countries, it is much easier. One important first step is to become aware of cultural differences and address them. My business partner is French, and I’m from Austria, and many times when there was a misunderstanding we realized that the reason was cultural. This understanding allows you to have a good laugh about it and get over it. I also recommend reading the book “The Culture Map”, which is a fascinating read about topics such as who in the hierarchy needs to be present in a meeting, how to give feedback and what a “No” actually means in different cultures. A lot of your cultural code is formed by the country you grow up in, but it can change over time. I’ve lived in the Netherlands for 6 years now, and the communication is very direct. In meetings, you get straight to the point. I realized this when I was in Vienna a few months ago and I was told: “This was the fastest meeting I ever had.” With the University of Applied Sciences in Utrecht, we’ve designed a business course that is called “International Expansion”. The students have a lot of fun, and it would be great if other schools also began to teach such skills.
With the many differences between the mentality in European countries, there sure is a lot to learn…
Exactly. It is a cardinal sin that many US-based companies commit to see Europe as one single market, and think they can expand just by placing a person in London. But it is also a considerable regional handicap for companies in Europe that if they don’t manage to internationalize they’ll just be caught in a small home market. But it can also be an advantage if you have to start with internationalization early and have a lot of experience with it, this is an important asset to become a global player.
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